are these liveberers as well and does anyone have any pics of them?

http://www.petfish.net/endlers.htm

They are livebearers. They are similar to guppies. People don't know if they may be guppies. It is hard to determine. Use the link above to see them and get some info on them. There are three strains of them in the wild. The above is only one.

kinda like a guppys arnt they

They are derfinitely related, but they are also an endangered species in the wild and hobbyists like to keep them pure. They can mate with wild-type guppies and fancy tails, but it is discouragd. The babies won't be sterile, but you'd be tainting a strain.

I usually buy them as feeders from my lfs.Is that bad because there endangered?If so time to start breeding my other feeder guppies.Why don't they just breed them and reintroduce them into the wild?I'm sure there are tons of people who breed them.

Endlers are related to guppies, they come from the same genus. Guppies and endlers can hybridize. (as can swordtails and platies & guppies and mollies) So yes, they are livebearers as well.

Unless you are trying to keep the strain pure, I don't think many people discourage breeding them with guppies (fancy or feeders). You do get some interesting colors. Of course they will be hyrbids and most likely not worth as much money as the parent guppy or endler itself.

Actually, most "feeder guppies" are either wild-type guppies or endler/guppy hybrids. Some places use other fish fry as feeders though (danios, white clouds, and then you have feeder goldfish). I've kept feeder guppies before (haha) and they were cute little things, lol. Very peaceful and still easy to breed. And no, they did not overrun my tank with their fry. I barely saw fry because I didn't provide the normal hiding places or watch for them, so most got eaten (which is fine).

Fishy, are you saying you buy endlers as feeders or the wild-type guppies or endler/guppy hybrids? I think what StomachFluid was saying is that endlers are endangered in the wild. People breed them in the hobby for their own interest or to try and produce new strains, but that does take time. It's fine to breeder feeder guppies but they are probably not pure strains of endlers.

There are tons of people who breed them, but you should never introduce domesticated fish into the wild. Domesticated small fish, such as endlers, would probably have a higher chance of getting eaten if they were introduced into the wild. When people realease non-native fish into the wild, they can be harming the ecosystem. There is always a possibility that they can establish a breeding population and then endanger the natives themselves.

For the most part it is hard to distinguish the difference between "feeder guppies". (whether they are pure strains of endlers, pure strain of guppy, or a hyrbid of endlers and guppies).

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! DO NOT BREED FEEDERS AND INTRODUCE THEM INTO THE WILD. Many people confuse wild guppies used as feeders for endlers because they have some similiraties in color. Also, if you do find endlers as feeders at your lfs, they are most definitely not pure. Breeding them would be pointless and you won't make money off of it. You will just be promoting bad genes in a species that is held by some as a "holy grail" type fish.

I beg you not to breed unpure strains of endlers. It is unwise and you might piss some people off. (not me)

^If they want to bitch about it then I'm just going to tell them to shove it up their arrogant ass. :P

it's not THAT big of a deal. You can breed your feeder guppies if you want...whether you want a steady supplier of feeders or you keep them as pets. Just don't sell them as wild-type guppies, endlers, or tell others they are so.



Flu, was that really eight hours later? :P

Nice fish, there colouring is very similar to the original wild guppies, which because they are selectively bred now you very rarely see !!!!!

Endlers are related to Guppys and will breed together but it is not encouraged when trying to keep a "clean" strain of either. If you do decide to breed what we call "Guplers" and sell them please make sure that they are labeled as a cross breed and not pure of either fish. If you want more info about Endlers go to
www.endlersr.us
they have links to more info as well as pic's of Endlers, really beautiful pic's.
Thanks,

I have endlers now, and what I have found is the males are a lot smaller than a male guppy. The females are about the same size as a male guppy but plain just like a female. I have some of the endlers in my community tank along with 1 male and 1 female guppy and the difference in size is really amazing. I also have endlers in a tank of there own so a few hybrids don't bother me, but I also have pure strains. as for them being feeder fish, to me they would be too small for most.

VIP here is a couple of shots of Endlers Livebearers. The females are considerably larger than the males. Wish the shots were better. Hopefully will get some good shots soon

This one shows a male and female with a young guppy for size comparison


swordtail male


young female

The problem with this theory is that their native habitat is endangered. In Venesuela(sp) where they are found the nearst city has built a dump next door to the lagoona so reintroducing them wouldn't work. Please visit the link in my sig for more info.