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Title: Urgent help required!
Description: sick fish


Fry - December 13, 2006 07:48 PM (GMT)
Hi all, hopeing you can help me out.
My tanks turned cloudy over the past 2 days, theres only a few obvious particles in the water but nothing else to sugest the cloudyness.
Thinkin aa water change may sort this i done about 40% but then it all went wrong!!!
instantly all the fish in my tank seem to have, i guess, a swim bladder problem.
They are all layin on thier backs or sides with slow gill movement, those which try to move seem to have no controll.
I recently (2 weeks) introduced new plants to the tank.
I lost a platy an female fighter about 3 weeks ago to what looked the same but the female fighter looked like she had fin rot.
My male fighter looked to suffer from fin rot a few days ago an began to treat him to the appropiate medicne.
All the other fish have seemed to go off their food over the past few days.
Has anyone got any ideas to solve this or believe they know the cause?!
Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

glaive - December 13, 2006 08:38 PM (GMT)
Check your water chemistry, it sounds like the tank never cycled or it is in a mini cycle.
If the cloudiness is white then it is most likely a bacterial bloom.

dtroup - December 13, 2006 09:13 PM (GMT)
Did you use dechlorinater when you did the water change?

Fry - December 13, 2006 09:33 PM (GMT)
no i didnt use decholrinator, havent used it before an its my usual water source.
How dangeous is the bloom? will it sort itself out through the filter? never had it before.
Is that whats making my fish 'drunk' then?!
Thanks for the help

Snowy - December 14, 2006 12:06 AM (GMT)
There's the problem: Always use dechlorinator many a things are tap water is poisenous to fish

I made the same mistake about 2 years ago, except it was in a pond filled with fancy goldfish, about 50 bucks worth.

Oh, and also. Don't put a male betta w/ a female betta, it's very rare that that a male betta won't kill the female betta, that's what the fin damage was on your female betta, the male was bullying her.


oh, and btw..

:wel2: to the forums, Philip J. Fry.. lol

glaive - December 14, 2006 01:01 AM (GMT)
A bacterial bloom itself is harmless, just a sign of a tank cycling.

Fry - December 14, 2006 05:20 PM (GMT)
Bit of an update, tried sortin the tank out toady with a 25% water change (tanks still a little cloudy). Took the little chaps out an put em in a tuperware bowl (all i had!) an five of em were instantly better! swam propperly without any diffculty, however my male fighter an two remaining females still look worse for wear. he's all tatty an hanging by the surface whilst the 2 ladies are layin on the bottom. the 2 ladies seemed to look better whilst in the tuperware (stayin boyant an doing a little swimming), do you reckon its worth puttin them in there for a while to recover?! :?:
ta for your help

Fry - December 14, 2006 05:37 PM (GMT)
Well i put em in there anyhow. Seem to think warmer water helps since they seem to perk up in the tuperware. So ive turned up the tank temp an ill put em in there later.

Snowy - December 14, 2006 09:51 PM (GMT)
Betta=Fighter fish
Fighter fish=Betta

Find a nice bowl for your male betta ( ahem, fighter fish ), he's a murderer, lol.

Put your female bettas in the tupperware and keep them in there so they can heal from the male's evil-ness


The betta would do fine in a bowl, I'm a betta keeper, plus a lot of people here know.

I'd say do an extremely large, about 75% water change while the fish are not in the tank ( Remember to use dechlorinator, no questions asked )

that... should hopefully help. If you have any questions at all, ask them. We are here to help.

Fry - December 15, 2006 09:35 AM (GMT)
Too late unfortunatly, the 2 ladies died last night , 'sob'. They were beatifull as well. The male is hanging on in there. Prob is i go awway today for 2 weeks so there gonna be left to fend for themselves.

Snowy - December 15, 2006 09:39 AM (GMT)
Oh.. wow, doesn't that suck.


Well, all I'd do is hope for the best. Sorry to hear about your loss. :(

I bet they were beautiful.


Good luck with the fish.

while you're gone, keep the lights off to make sure there metabolism slows down.

It may be too late for the two female bettas, but there's still a chance to save the rest of them. If you have any questions. Ask.

Black_Angel - December 16, 2006 04:42 PM (GMT)
What temperature was the tank before you upped the temperature? Did you add cold water straight from the tap?
How long has the tank been running?
Do you use airstones at all, or use an air puimp for anything? If yes could something have been sprayed near the tank?

Snowy - December 18, 2006 08:51 AM (GMT)
sigh*( we need an emoticon for sighing :dunno: ...,, I hope his fish turn out okay. Too bad he can't be there to care for them.

Fry - December 24, 2006 02:38 PM (GMT)
Forgot the web address, but luckerly the site sent a merry christmas email!!
Yeah i left the light off an the tank runs on an air pump. Tank had been fine for two months before it all went pete tong! Just cant figure it out!!

dtroup - December 24, 2006 03:39 PM (GMT)
How's it doing?

Snowy - December 24, 2006 03:55 PM (GMT)
Yes, an update would be awesome.
:dunno:

DonnaFaye - December 29, 2006 04:30 PM (GMT)
Fry,
I wanted to share two things I have learned from experience. One is that before you do a partial water change, you'll need to add the water treatment drops to de-chlorinate tap water, because the chemicals will poison the fish as the previous user mentioned.

Also, you should test the water at least once a week with test strips from the pet store. This is so important. It will show if the ph is out of balance, and also if there are any nitrates or nitrites (I get the two confused). You can buy the test strips with the tiny square pads that will turn color to show the level of each thingy/level.

If the ph level is not in the normal range, or if too many nitrites, it can harm the fish.

I believe also that too much waste can make the water cloudy.

I hope the rest of your fish are okay. My Betta has "dropsy" and is really bloated, so I feel your pain.

Fry - January 3, 2007 05:59 PM (GMT)
Hi all
Bad news im afraid, returned today an only had 2 fish survive, a female guppy an a rainbow 'something', lost a male an female guppy, a mountain rainbow 'something' an also the male beta.
Only found the remains of 1 body. gonna clean the tank an start again i suppose! the cloudy situation has gone but have a slight snail problem now.
thanks all for ya help :thanks:

Snowy - January 3, 2007 09:59 PM (GMT)
ah well, I love snails.. I'd keep them and maybe get a few cories to keep the numbers down.

at elast you got 2 fish left.

good to think positive, jay

Fry - January 3, 2007 10:09 PM (GMT)
turns out something else survived, which ive never seen before!
white, about half a cm long an about 1mm wide with a split tail.
was about to suck it up before swimin off!
Any ideas what it is!? :hmm:




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